Kids vs. Dogs on Lakeshore

Notice went up on Friday the 13th of Notice of Application for a Dog Play Park next to Astro Park.

Notice went up on Friday the 13th of "Notice of Application for a Dog Play Park" next to Astro Park. As a parent living in the Grand Lake neighborhood for the last 12 years my kids spent many wonderful days playing in this park as well as the field that surrounds it. The field is always being used by soccer and baseball enthusiasts of all ages. The popular Grand Lake Farmers Market attracts huge throngs of young people and their families to the park.

In the application notice the project is described as a dog play park. It is natural to assume that dogs like to socialize with one another as do their keepers. But dog play and people play are not always complementary activities and deserve their own areas. Since Astro Park and the Grand Lake district are well-established people destinations, I believe that the city can find a more appropriate space for dogs and their owners to gather.

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Tim Rood April 15, 2012 at 08:49 PM
Grateful Dad, have you reviewed the specific design proposal for the fenced off-leash dog area? It's wedged into a corner of Astro Park near MacArthur and Lakeshore. Currently, it’s illegal to bring a dog to any of the parkland near Lake Merritt (even on leash). The Oakland Dog Owners Group (ODOG) has been working for over ten years on the project at Lakeview Park. It would take up only one tenth of one percent of the parkland near the lake. It’s been approved by city agencies several times, and is included in the Lake Merritt Master Plan. Several proposed alternative sites near the lake were found to be infeasible.
Grateful Dad April 15, 2012 at 09:08 PM
This Astro Park site is also infeasible but there are already several other dog play areas in the neighborhood ... http://www.saveastropark.org/top-ten-reasons-this-dog-run-is-a-bad-idea/how-far-is-it-to-other-dog-parks.
Eric Sinclair April 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM
"But dog play and people play are not always complementary activities and deserve their own areas" Yeah, that's right. There's 155 acres of park land around Lake Merritt -- and all of it is completely off-limits to people with dogs. Even on leash. Odog is asking for a small spot for the hundreds of PEOPLE to socialize with their dogs. 80% of the time, this spot is totally empty. This plan leaves over a acre --- plenty of room for the few activities that happen there now.
Eric Sinclair April 15, 2012 at 11:27 PM
Mosswood Park is not my neighborhood, and 3 miles isn't walking distance.
Paul Hollenbach April 16, 2012 at 12:46 AM
"155 acres of park land around Late Merritt" But very few of those acres are suitable for a soccer game, etc. I have two dogs and I'm walking distance to the proposed dog park. I am 100% against it. The Astro Park site is a great multi-use area, it should stay that way.
Grandlake resident April 16, 2012 at 05:06 AM
I live next to the theatre and my two sons play soccer and run on the grass.. It would be a total shame to place a dog park in that spot next to children. And no its not empty 80% of the time?.The other proposed spot next to the old stables makes so much more sense.. Where are our children going to play soccer? In the other grassy spots that have geese feces everywhere? Seems like every animal will get more rights to this Lake than making it family friendly..
Eric Sinclair April 16, 2012 at 05:27 AM
The children will play soccer on the ACRE of land that's left after the dog park is built ... in the same part of this park that soccer takes place now.
Proakland April 16, 2012 at 06:26 AM
The Lake Merritt Master Plan includes a notation for "potential dog park" at Astro Park. It also states that currently Eastshore (Astro) Park is heavily utilized by schools, children and adults for active recreation. By the way, the entire available play space is less than one acre at present. If the dog park goes in, subtract half of that space and consider that folks will also be playing up against a fence. The LMMP has developed a wide walkway around the entire lake for the use of people and people with dogs on leash.
Darryl Larry April 18, 2012 at 04:31 AM
Why are we to subsidize for people who live in high density housing around Astro Park/Lake Merritt, own dogs, and want to have a "dog park" within walking distance? I grew up and lived with dogs my whole life, and know they need a lot of space. If you don't have it because you live in an apartment, then *YOU* are doing a disservice to your dog, not the City of Oakland and your neighbors who appreciate the beautiful patch of green-space in our urban environment. It should stay open for all people to use and enjoy, especially our children, and not walled off and only for use by dogs and their owners. Sorry dog owners, but there are sidewalks to walk, and dog parks a short drive away. And if you think it's unfair, and if you equate the needs and responsibilities of owning a dog with the needs and responsibilities of raising a child... well, then you really don't get it. I love dogs, will always prioritize Oakland's children and their needs first, and live and vote in Oakland.
Charlynn Throckmorton April 18, 2012 at 05:26 PM
How do people and animals peacefully coexist in a dense urban environment when available land both for wildlife and humanlife is disappearing faster than free tickets to a Raiders Game? Dogs need to socialize and play. They are social animals. The humans, especially the little ones, need space to play. What seems to be happening here is a lot of need to be "right," rather than a compassionate look at the needs of the other side with the intention of respectful compromise. Just sayin.'
Liberal Bitch April 25, 2012 at 02:19 AM
Look at these ODOG spammers - lying, corrupted group of individuals who push this ill-conceived idea into community's throat. One of the key elements of ODOG proposal is that the park - hear this? - will be cleaned by ODOG volunteers. There is ZERO maintenance budget for this crazy project in City's budget. I guess, it would be reasonable to pick up the dog poop which - obviously - will be abundant, and stuff it into the throats of this stupid park proponents, when they fail to hold their promise to clean up. This is not to mention kids' playground proximity, busy streets, - a setup calling for bad accidents to happen; a loss of beautiful, open green space. Many, many lies by the engaged parties - Nancy Nadel, who is stupid and plain rude and pushing for it, Pat Kernigan, who was quitely reaching out to doggie owners behind the backs of the community. Finally, worth mentioning a few HUNDRED local residents who voiced their strong opposition to this madness. A small group of self-entitled ignoramuses just keep pushing, like a bulldozer. These ignoramuses spam internet and post lies and misleading ads to Craigslist, forging "support" signatures and building up a fake number.
Majority April 28, 2012 at 01:42 AM
Stay classy, Cheryl. Lots of wild claims and accusations here. Got any proof to back up any of it?
Grateful Dad May 23, 2012 at 04:36 AM
I'm grateful that the Oakland Planning Commission decided not to create a Dog Play Park next to Astro Park, especially since summer is coming and we'll be down there regularly. But I hear the proponents are going to appeal, so I guess it ain't over yet. Stay tuned.
Tim Rood May 23, 2012 at 06:54 PM
I wasn't at the Planning Commission hearing, but it sounded like many of the fears expressed by opponents and Commissioners (e.g., reduced dog park is now "too small" or "too close to playground" to work well) could have been addressed with factual information about other, currently operating dog parks in Oakland. Hardy Park dog park is smaller and closer to Frog Park playground than what's proposed for the Lakeview dog play area. Proponents may come to the Council armed with scaled drawings and measurements to counter the opponents' anecdotes and speculation.
Grateful Dad December 12, 2012 at 10:13 PM
Oakland City Council will decide on the proposed fenced dog run area next Tuesday, December 18. This will be your last chance to voice opinions on this controversial matter.
Grateful Dad December 19, 2012 at 03:53 PM
Wow ... ended up a tie last night at city hall. Now the new guard will be asked to take a vote on the dog run. The saga continues ...


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